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Kimbo Slice or Brock Lesnar?
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Big John McCarthy
Fight Network Ambassador

POSTED: August 21, 2008 - 3:21 pm

CATEGORIES: MMA

Here's the question, Kimbo Slice or Brock Lesnar?  Which one is going to be the better Mixed Martial Artist?  I love how everyone is so quick to jump on or off either fighter's bandwagon.  Why is it that some MMA fans want to bring these guys down?  They are both great for the sport.  They absolutely come from different backgrounds with varying credentials, but most certainly they both do one of the most important things any fighter out there today needs to be able to do.  They put peoples butts in seats!  People want to see them fight.  Are they the best MMA fighters on the planet right now, HELL NO, but right now they don't have to be.  What they need to be right now is entertaining plus they need to be somewhat successful. 

The first time I saw Kimbo Slice fight was the same way many of you saw him.  It was a backyard fight with some guy known as Big "D".  He proceeded to knock Big "D" around a backyard and almost into a large satellite dish, he let Big "D" take free shots at his chin and then scoff at him like he was child.  Kimbo showed he had some stand-up skills, but there was nothing really out of the ordinary besides his colorful commentary and interviewing skills.  Several more backyard brawls took place usually between Kimbo and some poor fool that looked like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was.  The Internet started showing the fights and the legend of Kimbo Slice started to grow.  Finally there was a fight set up between Kimbo and Sean Gannon.  It was suppose to be shown for a price on the Internet.  That was the fight that told me many of the things I needed to know about Kimbo Slice the fighter.  Kimbo lost that fight, but it was the way he lost that told me what I needed to know.  He lost because he got tired.  He pushed hard against a big guy who wouldn't back down and eventually the gas went empty in the tank and there was nothing left.  That's when I knew that Kimbo could be a good fighter.  He kept getting back up when he was gassed and kept trying to win and that said it all.  Nothing hurts more in fighting then body shots and exhaustion.  It does not matter what technical skill you possess, when you are completely exhausted you are in trouble and Kimbo has now learned this lesson several times.

Kimbo came into the world of MMA with a win over Ex-Heavyweight Boxing Champion Merciless Ray Mercer even though that fight was fought as an exhibition fight so it does not show on either fighters record.  He showed that he knew the difference between being a smart fighter and someone who fights another mans fight when he went to the ground with Ray and applied a fight ending guillotine choke.  Kimbo then had two fast fights ending in knockouts against Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott.  Kimbo's last fight against James Thompson gave people reason to believe that Kimbo was not quite as formidable a fighter as many had bestowed upon him.  He had trouble with Thompson in many areas.  He was handled on the ground and was unable to display any true technique in extricating himself from Thompson's lumbering ground and pound attack.  Kimbo was pushed into the 3rd round against a fighter that many people predicted would be knocked out in the first round. What Kimbo lacks right now is experience.  He does not have all of the necessary skills needed to compete in MMA at the highest level.  He lacks the wrestling skills and the ground skills needed to make him a well-rounded fighter at this time.  Kimbo is smart enough to know this and has made Bas Rutten his full time trainer to help him become a more complete fighter.  Give Kimbo some time and I think he can be incredibly good at the sport of MMA, but you need to give him time and that is exactly what Elite XC is trying to do by hand picking Kimbo's opponents very carefully.

Brock Lesnar is a completely different animal.  Brock comes from a very accomplished amateur wrestling background that took him all the way to the NCAA Division 1 Heavyweight title back in 2001.  Brock made a decision after graduation from the University of Minnesota to sign with the WWE and become a professional wrestler.  Many people look down on him and say that he should of gone right into the world of MMA without wasting his time doing fake fighting in the WWE.  It's a solid sounding argument, but not really a good one.  The world of MMA at that time was still floundering trying to be accepted as a legitimate sport and was paying fighters very little.  Brock was offered a very sizeable contract to sign with the WWE and would not of made anything close to it if he had decided to go straight into MMA.  In fact Brocks stint as a professional wrestler and champion of the WWE has helped him in getting a contract with the UFC that probably puts him in the top 5 as far as highest paid fighters.

 Is Brock a good fighter?  Hell yes he is.  He may not be one of the top fighters in the world right now in the Heavyweight Division, but he can absolutely get there if people just give him a little time.  The man is big, strong, fast, has a great wrestling background that he uses to control the fight.  He listens to the people he has installed around him and he will continue to get better from fight to fight.  The real problem is he just hasn't had that many fights and with where he is fighting he is not going to get much time to try out or perfect any new techniques.  The Zuffa at this point seems hell-bent on trying to push Brock Lesnar along at a break-neck speed.   Now I am not really sure why the UFC would give Lesnar a fight against someone like Frank Mir the first time out, other then to say...welcome to the sport of MMA Brock, it may not be quite as easy as you think!  Really what happened is Brock came in to talk with Dana White, President of the UFC and was told that he might be a little too inexperienced for the UFC at that time but they would love to have him after he got some experience.  Brock told them he wanted to fight the best and felt that the best fighters were fighting in the UFC so that's where he wanted to be. The Zuffa decided they were not going to make it easy on him as he attempts to make his way up the UFC Heavyweight ladder.  The UFC is not setting up any fights for Brock, they are throwing him into the middle of the pool and saying it's either sink or swim for you.  There will be no easy fights for you here and Brock has taken the challenge and used it to fuel him as he works hard to show that he does belong in the world of MMA and is a threat to anyone that steps into the Octagon.

I was very impressed with Brocks performance against Heath Herring at UFC 87.  Not so much for the way the fight turned out, but more so for the way Brock took his time and was patient during the fight not allowing himself to get over extended or caught by a very seasoned veteran like Herring.  Brock's ability to control the fight with his wrestling was his key to winning the fight and that is the way it should be right now for him.  Use what you are good at and make your opponent fight your fight.  Brock did a lot of really good things during that fight and will only be better in his next fight because of it.  Who is the Zuffa going to put against him next?  Only time will tell, but they are definitely not going to be handling Brock the same way that Elite XC has been handling Kimbo. The UFC has many stars and they don't need to rely on Brock Lesnar winning to keep people watching.  Elite XC is in a different situation with Kimbo.  They need Kimbo to keep winning and so far you have to say Elite XC is doing a good job of trying to build their star by feeding him fights that they feel he will be able to handle.  The first fight with Bo Cantrell was a walk in the park for Kimbo as he walked through Cantrell in just 19 seconds.  Next up was Tank Abbott.  A 42 year old out of shape and slow beyond all reasonable doubt Tank Abbott.  Kimbo did his job and took out Tank in just over 1 minute.  Then came the CBS prime time showcase where Elite needed to use their star, but had to be very careful not to push Kimbo to fast with an opponent that could beat him.  That very thing almost happened when James Thompson came in and took Kimbo into the 3rd round. 

So what do we have here?  Two fighters with a combined total of seven, that's right "seven" fights between them.  Not a lot of experience there, but both have a ton of pressure resting on their shoulders.  Brock's pressure is different than Kimbo's.  His is more self applied because he wants to prove he belongs.  The UFC really doesn't care one way or the other, if he keeps winning and makes himself into a great fighter then it's a win for them.  If he doesn't keep winning and finds the world of MMA more difficult than previously thought, the UFC just spins it to look like the Pro Wrestler turned fighter couldn't cut it.  They win either way.

Kimbo's pressure is different.  He has a company that is gambling on him to keep winning so they can get viewers interested enough to watch.  If he fails, it is not only bad for him, but also for the company he represents.  Both of these fighters have big upsides.  They are both very competitive and have shown that they are not afraid to go out there and let it all hang out.  Both of them are very open to learning and know that there is so much out there for them to learn and then implement into their fight games.  In the end all I know is I look forward to watching each of these athletes continue to compete and mature as fighters because the heights they each obtain is limitless.

COMMENTS (11): Submit A Comment
1. Pauly
August 22, 2008 - 7:25 pm

Kimbo v Brock. Now there's your freakshow!

I got money on Brock. Unless Kimbo learned an anklelock.

Throw in Bill Goldberg and a metal folding chair, and you have some entertainment!

2. snake
August 23, 2008 - 8:18 am

kuddo's to brock, atleast he has the nad's to fight some serious competition. maybe kimbo could stand up for himself in elite and demand some serious fighters to face.apparently he cant be as skilled and as sure of himself as brock. in a fight between brock and kimbo, ha, what do i think? Its obvious brock the winner, kimbo, your not on the street fighting guys who are out of shape and non skilled fighters now are you.

3. Ryan L
August 23, 2008 - 10:48 pm

I would love to see that fight ,not because I think kimbo has a chance in hell, but just because I think it would be the ufcs ultimate bitch slap to elite xc.

4. Bryan Gilbert
August 23, 2008 - 11:27 pm

im a huge kimbo fan.i don't think brock was really made for mma.but i would love to see kimbo vs brock in the future

5. D.G.
August 24, 2008 - 3:34 am

Based on the discipline and work ethic required of amature wrestlers, I'd pick Brock to transition better than Kimbo.

6. dede
August 25, 2008 - 2:23 am

brock would won thats a fact !

7. Rickstar of Oz
August 26, 2008 - 4:35 am

i hope Brock can just keep getting better and one day win the UFC tittle that would really upset the WWE.I want to see you Big John Fight that tool Dana White,now that would be something to see.Cheers

8. brownmut
August 31, 2008 - 10:08 pm

I have no intention of jumping off either fighters bandwagons.You are right, they put alot of asses in seats and are very exciting to watch.I wish both fighters much success in the future.

9. D'rell
September 6, 2008 - 10:33 pm

Good Job Dana White. I would guess that, in signing Brock, you might get more WWE fans watching UFC. well I watch all brocks fights., yeah both of them. as far as rickstar saying it would piss off wwe to see Brock a Champion. I beleive that Pro Wrestlings Credability is on Brocks Shoulders. I've always wondered what was easier to win a WWE title or a Ufc Title. Brock on nov. 15 can answer that question. would still love to see more tables and barbwire in the ufc.

10. John in Florida
September 9, 2008 - 1:40 pm

Ok, I admit it...I'm a huge Kimbo fan. Even if he loses I'm still a Kimbo Slice fan. I do believe however that Brock will transition better than Kimbo. Not a lot of ground and pound or submission holds in the backyards of Miami...Strictly street fighting techniques. Regardless, they both will become iconic legends in their own rights in MMA. Now Kimbo just needs to come on over to the Dana White side and get on an Ultimate Fighter series for some serious training

11. dj
October 13, 2008 - 12:09 pm

kimbo is a ok street fighter. But will not amount to anything in the mma world. he has faught no name washed up guys. if you put him in the ring against lesnar he would retire after that fight. he has the potential to learn but he is to old. he wont make it very far. good luck kimbo.

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